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tree?","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":1},{"id":"fc8d1c375a53f088cf014f6a29750f1ed40b0932","author":{"_account_id":28327,"name":"Kazuki Hashimoto","email":"kaz205@tuta.io","username":"Kaz205","avatars":[{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d32","height":32},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d56","height":56},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d100","height":100},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d120","height":120}]},"date":"2021-03-16 07:40:33.000000000","message":"Patch Set 1:\n\n\u003e Patch Set 1:\n\u003e \n\u003e Any reason on not overriding the overlay in device-specific tree?\n\nThis happens on all phones.","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":1},{"id":"31620cf03386e7affa0b6da7b995c704f4a6320b","tag":"autogenerated:gerrit:deleteReviewer","author":{"_account_id":19612,"name":"Aayush Gupta","email":"aayushgupta219@gmail.com","username":"theimpulson","avatars":[{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/72af8011f5853c0926142436b158006c.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d32","height":32},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/72af8011f5853c0926142436b158006c.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d56","height":56},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/72af8011f5853c0926142436b158006c.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d100","height":100},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/72af8011f5853c0926142436b158006c.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d120","height":120}]},"date":"2021-03-16 07:41:25.000000000","message":"Removed reviewer Aayush Gupta.","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":1},{"id":"46d479e67f1df2f8daadb872257bcd6022debd69","tag":"autogenerated:gerrit:setTopic","author":{"_account_id":28327,"name":"Kazuki Hashimoto","email":"kaz205@tuta.io","username":"Kaz205","avatars":[{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d32","height":32},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d56","height":56},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d100","height":100},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d120","height":120}]},"date":"2021-03-16 08:32:27.000000000","message":"Topic set to jp-shutter-sound","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":1},{"id":"0637d867f8c2ebabdb1f13f068f7d61ac15876a0","author":{"_account_id":28327,"name":"Kazuki Hashimoto","email":"kaz205@tuta.io","username":"Kaz205","avatars":[{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d32","height":32},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d56","height":56},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d100","height":100},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d120","height":120}]},"date":"2021-03-16 09:18:32.000000000","message":"Patch Set 1:\n\n\u003e Patch Set 1:\n\u003e \n\u003e Some info about the current situation in Japan:\n\u003e https://android.googlesource.com/device/google/crosshatch/+/6005e32dfa249c455b68113974f11e54f767fdf4\n\u003e https://theuijunkie.com/japan-camera-sound/\n\u003e https://smhn.info/201911-japanese-smartphones-make-a-noisy-shutter-sound\n\u003e \n\u003e Note how they all mention it\u0027s a carrier requirement, not a legal obligation.\n\nAs written in the third article, there are phones (e.g. Black Shark 2) that are *legally* sold in Japan despite their capability to disable the shutter sound.","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":1},{"id":"51b5b767842cb12ee141d5f048fea4974632b451","tag":"autogenerated:gerrit:newPatchSet","author":{"_account_id":28327,"name":"Kazuki Hashimoto","email":"kaz205@tuta.io","username":"Kaz205","avatars":[{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d32","height":32},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d56","height":56},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d100","height":100},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d120","height":120}]},"date":"2021-03-16 09:53:45.000000000","message":"Patch Set 2: Commit message was updated.","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":2},{"id":"4f2732f6f187bcdae968da39726737e0660a7c5b","author":{"_account_id":13028,"name":"Michael W","email":"baddaemon87@gmail.com","username":"BadDaemon","avatars":[{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/d7353d59293ecf50e0388d0c18b25977.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d32","height":32},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/d7353d59293ecf50e0388d0c18b25977.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d56","height":56},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/d7353d59293ecf50e0388d0c18b25977.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d100","height":100},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/d7353d59293ecf50e0388d0c18b25977.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d120","height":120}]},"date":"2021-03-17 09:19:58.000000000","message":"Patch Set 2: Code-Review-2\n\nImo this should be sent upstream to google to see what they have to say. There is a reason this is forced on, even if only the carriers do this based on their own rules. If this is a common thing and people basically rely on that sound (e.g. to prevent those photos from the \"thejunkie\" article) we shouldn\u0027t disable it (and yes, I am aware that there are perverts who can build themselves and disable it. Those are not a majority, though)","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":2},{"id":"602e38bc213d9b7380f94bcf7d1d143e8d6f7246","author":{"_account_id":28327,"name":"Kazuki Hashimoto","email":"kaz205@tuta.io","username":"Kaz205","avatars":[{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d32","height":32},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d56","height":56},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d100","height":100},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d120","height":120}]},"date":"2021-03-17 09:55:01.000000000","message":"Patch Set 2:\n\n\u003e Patch Set 2: Code-Review-2\n\u003e \n\u003e Imo this should be sent upstream to google to see what they have to say. There is a reason this is forced on, even if only the carriers do this based on their own rules. \n\nGoogle will never merge it because the carriers force the OEMs to enable the shutter sound, it\u0027s on the carriers (they would probably not sell their phones if Google objects). This rule doesn\u0027t apply to us however.\n\n\u003e If this is a common thing and people basically rely on that sound (e.g. to prevent those photos from the \"thejunkie\" article) we shouldn\u0027t disable it (and yes, I am aware that there are perverts who can build themselves and disable it. Those are not a majority, though)\n\nThe carriers forced the camera shutter sound years ago when installing third party apps weren\u0027t a thing. Nowadays however, there are third party camera apps that can disable the shutter sound, effectively making the change useless.\n\nThis change is beneficial for non-peverts as well. For example, in places like seminars and museums, where interruptions are not welcome, this can turn out to be very handy.\n\n(and no, I didn\u0027t propose this change so I can take upskirt pics with the stock camera app).","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":2},{"id":"29b971edebe2db3f86bfce84aa7eb5d93840de64","author":{"_account_id":28327,"name":"Kazuki Hashimoto","email":"kaz205@tuta.io","username":"Kaz205","avatars":[{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d32","height":32},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d56","height":56},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d100","height":100},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d120","height":120}]},"date":"2021-03-17 10:01:23.000000000","message":"Patch Set 2:\n\n\u003e effectively making the change useless.\n\n-\u003e effectively making the carriers\u0027 change useless.","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":2},{"id":"321165bb25f749c8716ccaec5b30a9ebdfed0bef","author":{"_account_id":28327,"name":"Kazuki Hashimoto","email":"kaz205@tuta.io","username":"Kaz205","avatars":[{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d32","height":32},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d56","height":56},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d100","height":100},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d120","height":120}]},"date":"2021-03-17 10:26:53.000000000","message":"Patch Set 2:\n\n\u003e (they would probably not sell their phones if Google objects).\n-\u003e (they would probably not sell Google\u0027s phones if they object).\n\nSorry for the bad wording.","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":2},{"id":"4f18d813095e81cbfde877b941c657dadd32ce6a","author":{"_account_id":19552,"name":"Alexander K","email":"alexmatteotv@gmail.com","username":"arekusu","avatars":[{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/30f2842a8e0db79e129f31ac170ba913.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d32","height":32},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/30f2842a8e0db79e129f31ac170ba913.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d56","height":56},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/30f2842a8e0db79e129f31ac170ba913.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d100","height":100},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/30f2842a8e0db79e129f31ac170ba913.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d120","height":120}]},"date":"2021-03-17 14:52:25.000000000","message":"Patch Set 2:\n\n\u003e Patch Set 2:\n\u003e \n\u003e \u003e Patch Set 2: Code-Review-2\n\u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e Imo this should be sent upstream to google to see what they have to say. There is a reason this is forced on, even if only the carriers do this based on their own rules. \n\u003e \n\u003e Google will never merge it because the carriers force the OEMs to enable the shutter sound, it\u0027s on the carriers (they would probably not sell their phones if Google objects). This rule doesn\u0027t apply to us however.\n\u003e \n\u003e \u003e If this is a common thing and people basically rely on that sound (e.g. to prevent those photos from the \"thejunkie\" article) we shouldn\u0027t disable it (and yes, I am aware that there are perverts who can build themselves and disable it. Those are not a majority, though)\n\u003e \n\u003e The carriers forced the camera shutter sound years ago when installing third party apps weren\u0027t a thing. Nowadays however, there are third party camera apps that can disable the shutter sound, effectively making the change useless.\n\u003e \n\u003e This change is beneficial for non-peverts as well. For example, in places like seminars and museums, where interruptions are not welcome, this can turn out to be very handy.\n\u003e \n\u003e (and no, I didn\u0027t propose this change so I can take upskirt pics with the stock camera app).\n\nIs this purely self-regulation on the OEMs part, or is it supported in a judicial manner - a concrete law or cases that caused a precedent?","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":2},{"id":"e5710218303aa58284753e3a1f60e7f42c8c1d49","author":{"_account_id":28327,"name":"Kazuki Hashimoto","email":"kaz205@tuta.io","username":"Kaz205","avatars":[{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d32","height":32},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d56","height":56},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d100","height":100},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d120","height":120}]},"date":"2021-03-17 14:55:56.000000000","message":"Patch Set 2:\n\n\u003e Patch Set 2:\n\u003e \n\u003e \u003e Patch Set 2:\n\u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e \u003e Patch Set 2: Code-Review-2\n\u003e \u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e \u003e Imo this should be sent upstream to google to see what they have to say. There is a reason this is forced on, even if only the carriers do this based on their own rules. \n\u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e Google will never merge it because the carriers force the OEMs to enable the shutter sound, it\u0027s on the carriers (they would probably not sell their phones if Google objects). This rule doesn\u0027t apply to us however.\n\u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e \u003e If this is a common thing and people basically rely on that sound (e.g. to prevent those photos from the \"thejunkie\" article) we shouldn\u0027t disable it (and yes, I am aware that there are perverts who can build themselves and disable it. Those are not a majority, though)\n\u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e The carriers forced the camera shutter sound years ago when installing third party apps weren\u0027t a thing. Nowadays however, there are third party camera apps that can disable the shutter sound, effectively making the change useless.\n\u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e This change is beneficial for non-peverts as well. For example, in places like seminars and museums, where interruptions are not welcome, this can turn out to be very handy.\n\u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e (and no, I didn\u0027t propose this change so I can take upskirt pics with the stock camera app).\n\u003e \n\u003e Is this purely self-regulation on the OEMs part, or is it supported in a judicial manner - a concrete law or cases that caused a precedent?\n\nThis is regulated by the carrier. If the OEMs object they\u0027d most likely stop selling their phones in the carrier\u0027s store, therefore the OEMs have to comply if they want to boost sales.","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":2},{"id":"7562f59800b4b60cb4c24a61305cad83d9406b77","author":{"_account_id":19552,"name":"Alexander K","email":"alexmatteotv@gmail.com","username":"arekusu","avatars":[{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/30f2842a8e0db79e129f31ac170ba913.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d32","height":32},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/30f2842a8e0db79e129f31ac170ba913.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d56","height":56},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/30f2842a8e0db79e129f31ac170ba913.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d100","height":100},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/30f2842a8e0db79e129f31ac170ba913.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d120","height":120}]},"date":"2021-03-17 14:58:28.000000000","message":"Patch Set 2:\n\n\u003e Patch Set 2:\n\u003e \n\u003e \u003e Patch Set 2:\n\u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e \u003e Patch Set 2:\n\u003e \u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e Patch Set 2: Code-Review-2\n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e Imo this should be sent upstream to google to see what they have to say. There is a reason this is forced on, even if only the carriers do this based on their own rules. \n\u003e \u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e \u003e Google will never merge it because the carriers force the OEMs to enable the shutter sound, it\u0027s on the carriers (they would probably not sell their phones if Google objects). This rule doesn\u0027t apply to us however.\n\u003e \u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e If this is a common thing and people basically rely on that sound (e.g. to prevent those photos from the \"thejunkie\" article) we shouldn\u0027t disable it (and yes, I am aware that there are perverts who can build themselves and disable it. Those are not a majority, though)\n\u003e \u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e \u003e The carriers forced the camera shutter sound years ago when installing third party apps weren\u0027t a thing. Nowadays however, there are third party camera apps that can disable the shutter sound, effectively making the change useless.\n\u003e \u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e \u003e This change is beneficial for non-peverts as well. For example, in places like seminars and museums, where interruptions are not welcome, this can turn out to be very handy.\n\u003e \u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e \u003e (and no, I didn\u0027t propose this change so I can take upskirt pics with the stock camera app).\n\u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e Is this purely self-regulation on the OEMs part, or is it supported in a judicial manner - a concrete law or cases that caused a precedent?\n\u003e \n\u003e This is regulated by the carrier. If the OEMs object they\u0027d most likely stop selling their phones in the carrier\u0027s store, therefore the OEMs have to comply if they want to boost sales.\n\nQuestion remains the same then - is this self-regulation by the carriers or are they required to do it by law (because they might get sued by the government or civilians if they don\u0027t force shutter sounds).","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":2},{"id":"52442f2a57bd6832d5273d3b01429f439448c771","author":{"_account_id":28327,"name":"Kazuki Hashimoto","email":"kaz205@tuta.io","username":"Kaz205","avatars":[{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d32","height":32},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d56","height":56},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d100","height":100},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d120","height":120}]},"date":"2021-03-17 14:59:00.000000000","message":"Patch Set 2:\n\n\u003e Patch Set 2:\n\u003e \n\u003e \u003e Patch Set 2:\n\u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e \u003e Patch Set 2:\n\u003e \u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e Patch Set 2:\n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e Patch Set 2: Code-Review-2\n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e Imo this should be sent upstream to google to see what they have to say. There is a reason this is forced on, even if only the carriers do this based on their own rules. \n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e Google will never merge it because the carriers force the OEMs to enable the shutter sound, it\u0027s on the carriers (they would probably not sell their phones if Google objects). This rule doesn\u0027t apply to us however.\n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e If this is a common thing and people basically rely on that sound (e.g. to prevent those photos from the \"thejunkie\" article) we shouldn\u0027t disable it (and yes, I am aware that there are perverts who can build themselves and disable it. Those are not a majority, though)\n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e The carriers forced the camera shutter sound years ago when installing third party apps weren\u0027t a thing. Nowadays however, there are third party camera apps that can disable the shutter sound, effectively making the change useless.\n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e This change is beneficial for non-peverts as well. For example, in places like seminars and museums, where interruptions are not welcome, this can turn out to be very handy.\n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e (and no, I didn\u0027t propose this change so I can take upskirt pics with the stock camera app).\n\u003e \u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e \u003e Is this purely self-regulation on the OEMs part, or is it supported in a judicial manner - a concrete law or cases that caused a precedent?\n\u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e This is regulated by the carrier. If the OEMs object they\u0027d most likely stop selling their phones in the carrier\u0027s store, therefore the OEMs have to comply if they want to boost sales.\n\u003e \n\u003e Question remains the same then - is this self-regulation by the carriers or are they required to do it by law (because they might get sued by the government or civilians if they don\u0027t force shutter sounds).\n\nIt is not backed by law.","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":2},{"id":"db462fdee10fda04ad94a745bd44db8b74e133fa","author":{"_account_id":28327,"name":"Kazuki Hashimoto","email":"kaz205@tuta.io","username":"Kaz205","avatars":[{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d32","height":32},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d56","height":56},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d100","height":100},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d120","height":120}]},"date":"2021-03-17 15:00:06.000000000","message":"Patch Set 2:\n\n\u003e Patch Set 2:\n\u003e \n\u003e \u003e Patch Set 2:\n\u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e \u003e Patch Set 2:\n\u003e \u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e Patch Set 2:\n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e Patch Set 2:\n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e Patch Set 2: Code-Review-2\n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e Imo this should be sent upstream to google to see what they have to say. There is a reason this is forced on, even if only the carriers do this based on their own rules. \n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e Google will never merge it because the carriers force the OEMs to enable the shutter sound, it\u0027s on the carriers (they would probably not sell their phones if Google objects). This rule doesn\u0027t apply to us however.\n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e If this is a common thing and people basically rely on that sound (e.g. to prevent those photos from the \"thejunkie\" article) we shouldn\u0027t disable it (and yes, I am aware that there are perverts who can build themselves and disable it. Those are not a majority, though)\n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e The carriers forced the camera shutter sound years ago when installing third party apps weren\u0027t a thing. Nowadays however, there are third party camera apps that can disable the shutter sound, effectively making the change useless.\n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e This change is beneficial for non-peverts as well. For example, in places like seminars and museums, where interruptions are not welcome, this can turn out to be very handy.\n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e (and no, I didn\u0027t propose this change so I can take upskirt pics with the stock camera app).\n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e \u003e \u003e Is this purely self-regulation on the OEMs part, or is it supported in a judicial manner - a concrete law or cases that caused a precedent?\n\u003e \u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e \u003e This is regulated by the carrier. If the OEMs object they\u0027d most likely stop selling their phones in the carrier\u0027s store, therefore the OEMs have to comply if they want to boost sales.\n\u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e Question remains the same then - is this self-regulation by the carriers or are they required to do it by law (because they might get sued by the government or civilians if they don\u0027t force shutter sounds).\n\u003e \n\u003e It is not backed by law.\n\nIt is self-regulation by the carriers.","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":2},{"id":"870e20c895d218507bfebd77a2f8ca3c75181ed1","author":{"_account_id":19552,"name":"Alexander K","email":"alexmatteotv@gmail.com","username":"arekusu","avatars":[{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/30f2842a8e0db79e129f31ac170ba913.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d32","height":32},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/30f2842a8e0db79e129f31ac170ba913.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d56","height":56},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/30f2842a8e0db79e129f31ac170ba913.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d100","height":100},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/30f2842a8e0db79e129f31ac170ba913.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d120","height":120}]},"date":"2021-03-17 15:02:07.000000000","message":"Patch Set 2:\n\n\u003e \u003e It is not backed by law.\n\u003e \n\u003e It is self-regulation by the carriers.\n\nMy suggestion then would be for you to link a legal discussion (even if it is not in English) which showcases that what you\u0027re saying is a fact.","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":2},{"id":"25ea55b1300c45c9fbca608b0f3b981687ed0744","author":{"_account_id":28327,"name":"Kazuki Hashimoto","email":"kaz205@tuta.io","username":"Kaz205","avatars":[{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d32","height":32},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d56","height":56},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d100","height":100},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d120","height":120}]},"date":"2021-03-17 15:24:17.000000000","message":"Patch Set 2:\n\n\u003e Patch Set 2:\n\u003e \n\u003e \u003e \u003e It is not backed by law.\n\u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e It is self-regulation by the carriers.\n\u003e \n\u003e My suggestion then would be for you to link a legal discussion (even if it is not in English) which showcases that what you\u0027re saying is a fact.\n\nHere is an official document from the Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications[1]. According the document, an individual mentions[2] that the forced camera shutter sound is enforced by the carriers (and that the ministry should tell the carriers to stop enforcing it). The ministry replies[3] that they will take their opinions into account and do *not* mention that the facts the individual stated regarding the forced shutter sound is false.\n\n[1] https://www.soumu.go.jp/main_content/000713688.pdf\n[2] Page 65, Title: 携帯電話のシャッター音について\n[3] Page 64, Comment: いただいた御意見については、参考として承ります。","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":2},{"id":"8871e9eac8d6a4c5c7d41d79a06991db8d36c99e","author":{"_account_id":19552,"name":"Alexander K","email":"alexmatteotv@gmail.com","username":"arekusu","avatars":[{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/30f2842a8e0db79e129f31ac170ba913.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d32","height":32},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/30f2842a8e0db79e129f31ac170ba913.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d56","height":56},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/30f2842a8e0db79e129f31ac170ba913.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d100","height":100},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/30f2842a8e0db79e129f31ac170ba913.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d120","height":120}]},"date":"2021-03-17 15:38:59.000000000","message":"Patch Set 2:\n\n\u003e Here is an official document from the Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications[1]. According the document, an individual mentions[2] that the forced camera shutter sound is enforced by the carriers (and that the ministry should tell the carriers to stop enforcing it). The ministry replies[3] that they will take their opinions into account and do *not* mention that the facts the individual stated regarding the forced shutter sound is false.\n\u003e \n\u003e [1] https://www.soumu.go.jp/main_content/000713688.pdf\n\u003e [2] Page 65, Title: 携帯電話のシャッター音について\n\u003e [3] Page 64, Comment: いただいた御意見については、参考として承ります。\n\nOkay, from my point of view this is a good start.\n\nWhile I understand Michael\u0027s point of view that this should be upstreamed to Google, I will note that an answer from upstream either takes a long time or just never happens.\n\nIf the same approach that was taken for Call Recording is taken in this case - adding information on why this was enabled as a comment in the file itself would be a good starting step.\n\nPersonally I feel like you\u0027re right - if the Japanese Penal Code does not mention a fine or jail time for taking photos without a shutter sound, then there\u0027s no legal justification for forcing it on, when it seems that it was a cultural self-regulation from the early 2000s.","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":2},{"id":"562128b0c5e0259efa29c76630d1106d0bdfb2dd","tag":"autogenerated:gerrit:newPatchSet","author":{"_account_id":28327,"name":"Kazuki Hashimoto","email":"kaz205@tuta.io","username":"Kaz205","avatars":[{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d32","height":32},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d56","height":56},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d100","height":100},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d120","height":120}]},"date":"2021-03-17 16:17:55.000000000","message":"Uploaded patch set 3.","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":3},{"id":"7c8796ae476feb466f3b10989f1faf3e79df4f2a","author":{"_account_id":28327,"name":"Kazuki Hashimoto","email":"kaz205@tuta.io","username":"Kaz205","avatars":[{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d32","height":32},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d56","height":56},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d100","height":100},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d120","height":120}]},"date":"2021-03-17 16:20:29.000000000","message":"Patch Set 3:\n\n\u003e Okay, from my point of view this is a good start.\n\u003e \n\u003e While I understand Michael\u0027s point of view that this should be upstreamed to Google, I will note that an answer from upstream either takes a long time or just never happens.\n\u003e \n\u003e If the same approach that was taken for Call Recording is taken in this case - adding information on why this was enabled as a comment in the file itself would be a good starting step.\n\u003e \n\u003e Personally I feel like you\u0027re right - if the Japanese Penal Code does not mention a fine or jail time for taking photos without a shutter sound, then there\u0027s no legal justification for forcing it on, when it seems that it was a cultural self-regulation from the early 2000s.\n\nThanks for all the advice, really helped a lot :)","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":3},{"id":"b48cf96486517eeb368d7c965c9de1e0e57f91f4","tag":"autogenerated:gerrit:newPatchSet","author":{"_account_id":28327,"name":"Kazuki Hashimoto","email":"kaz205@tuta.io","username":"Kaz205","avatars":[{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d32","height":32},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d56","height":56},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d100","height":100},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d120","height":120}]},"date":"2021-03-17 16:34:12.000000000","message":"Uploaded patch set 4: Commit message was updated.","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":4},{"id":"32fa2b431e61ea6047d49b5cde6c2f1d01980a6c","tag":"autogenerated:gerrit:newPatchSet","author":{"_account_id":28327,"name":"Kazuki Hashimoto","email":"kaz205@tuta.io","username":"Kaz205","avatars":[{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d32","height":32},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d56","height":56},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d100","height":100},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d120","height":120}]},"date":"2021-03-17 16:34:52.000000000","message":"Patch Set 5: Commit message was updated.","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":5},{"id":"49fa30d42a3d7c66a439901993000e9aad4a50ab","author":{"_account_id":19552,"name":"Alexander K","email":"alexmatteotv@gmail.com","username":"arekusu","avatars":[{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/30f2842a8e0db79e129f31ac170ba913.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d32","height":32},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/30f2842a8e0db79e129f31ac170ba913.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d56","height":56},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/30f2842a8e0db79e129f31ac170ba913.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d100","height":100},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/30f2842a8e0db79e129f31ac170ba913.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d120","height":120}]},"date":"2021-03-17 16:37:08.000000000","message":"Patch Set 5:\n\n\u003e Patch Set 3:\n\u003e \n\u003e \u003e Okay, from my point of view this is a good start.\n\u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e While I understand Michael\u0027s point of view that this should be upstreamed to Google, I will note that an answer from upstream either takes a long time or just never happens.\n\u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e If the same approach that was taken for Call Recording is taken in this case - adding information on why this was enabled as a comment in the file itself would be a good starting step.\n\u003e \u003e \n\u003e \u003e Personally I feel like you\u0027re right - if the Japanese Penal Code does not mention a fine or jail time for taking photos without a shutter sound, then there\u0027s no legal justification for forcing it on, when it seems that it was a cultural self-regulation from the early 2000s.\n\u003e \n\u003e Thanks for all the advice, really helped a lot :)\n\nNo problem, but I think you should include a short description of the matter in the \u003c!-- --\u003e section with a link to the legal discussion you showed me. An example of how I would format it can be found here: https://review.lineageos.org/c/LineageOS/android_packages_apps_Dialer/+/304634","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":5},{"id":"4239a6c02098cb62af86104554aab7c2d249a229","tag":"autogenerated:gerrit:newPatchSet","author":{"_account_id":28327,"name":"Kazuki Hashimoto","email":"kaz205@tuta.io","username":"Kaz205","avatars":[{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d32","height":32},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d56","height":56},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d100","height":100},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d120","height":120}]},"date":"2021-03-18 07:44:44.000000000","message":"Patch Set 6: Published edit on patch set 5.","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":6},{"id":"6c6d9d5c1a9bac0376d08fcc784268792c44fa65","author":{"_account_id":28327,"name":"Kazuki Hashimoto","email":"kaz205@tuta.io","username":"Kaz205","avatars":[{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d32","height":32},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d56","height":56},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d100","height":100},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d120","height":120}]},"date":"2021-03-21 07:06:01.000000000","message":"Patch Set 6:\n\n@Michael W\n\nI added further explanations justifying this change, is your stance on this still the same?","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":6},{"id":"35de43c0f4583f9922608ff62b6a7ab9267b0cff","tag":"autogenerated:gerrit:deleteReviewer","author":{"_account_id":28327,"name":"Kazuki Hashimoto","email":"kaz205@tuta.io","username":"Kaz205","avatars":[{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d32","height":32},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d56","height":56},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d100","height":100},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d120","height":120}]},"date":"2021-03-21 07:06:02.000000000","message":"Removed reviewer Alexander K.","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":6},{"id":"381a10eb157df44b5035000e2ae1f102b0e60f73","author":{"_account_id":23282,"name":"Peter Cai","email":"peter@typeblog.net","username":"newPeterCxy","avatars":[{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/d69c137ad36fa8b9d2d7c3359b779a8e.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d32","height":32},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/d69c137ad36fa8b9d2d7c3359b779a8e.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d56","height":56},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/d69c137ad36fa8b9d2d7c3359b779a8e.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d100","height":100},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/d69c137ad36fa8b9d2d7c3359b779a8e.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d120","height":120}]},"date":"2021-03-23 01:45:40.000000000","message":"Patch Set 6:\n\nI\u0027m no legal expert, but as I could read Japanese articles on the topic, I guess I\u0027d add something here.\n\nI did some research (i.e. Googling in Japanese), and it seems that there is no real legal consequence for disabling shutter sound or even developing and distributing shutter-less camera applications / devices. The forced shutter sound is, as described above by Hashimoto, just self-regulation between carriers and mobile device makers. Unfortunately I was not able to find much legal documentation or legal advice on this, but here are some examples:\n\n[1]: https://www.mayoinu.com/entry/2016/01/13/200000, 「音のしないカメラアプリを使って公共の場で隠し撮りすると、『迷惑防止条例違反』という犯罪になります。しかし、現状ではこのようなアプリの開発や使用自体を禁止する法律はありません」 (Using shutter-less camera apps to take photos without permission in public can be considered criminal offense. However, as of now, there is no law restricting the development and usage of these camera apps themselves)\n\n[2]: https://jp.quora.com/nippon-no-keitai-ya-suma-ho-ha-kamera-wo-shouon-deki-nai-no-ha-naze-desu-ka-hoka-no-kuni-de-onaji-you-na-koto-ga-arima-suka, 「ただし、これはあくまで自主規制のため、法律や条例で禁止されているわけでは無く、MVNOなどのSIMフリー端末や各種カメラアプリではこれらの制約を受けずシャッター音を消すことも可能になっています」 (However, because this is merely self-regulation and there is no actual legal backing, things like SIM-free devices and various camera apps are not technically affected by this self-regulation and could remove their shutter sound)\n\n[3]: https://www.buzzfeed.com/jp/daichi/why-japanese-smartphone, 「この「日本の通信事業者の基準」は業界が自主規制として定めたもので、法律や条例のように、公的な拘束力はない」 (This \"Standard of Japanese carriers\" is self-regulation within the telecommunications industry, and thus has no binding power to the public)\n\nHowever, despite all of this, one thing to keep in mind is that shutter sound is a controversial topic in Japan. By that I mean it seems __very__ controversial as far as I could see, and 盗撮 (non-consensual photography) seems to be a real problem in Japan . I am not sure how many Japanese users we have as LineageOS, but if at some point LineageOS gets involved in criminal offense due to the shutter-lessness, my worry is that this could cause some public sentiment against customized firmware in Japan and possibly be detrimental to the community. There is a reason that the self-regulation has existed for so long and no large player has dared to go publicly against it yet.","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":6},{"id":"a2507ca38ab1afff4892be83673bc583fcefad8b","author":{"_account_id":23282,"name":"Peter Cai","email":"peter@typeblog.net","username":"newPeterCxy","avatars":[{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/d69c137ad36fa8b9d2d7c3359b779a8e.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d32","height":32},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/d69c137ad36fa8b9d2d7c3359b779a8e.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d56","height":56},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/d69c137ad36fa8b9d2d7c3359b779a8e.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d100","height":100},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/d69c137ad36fa8b9d2d7c3359b779a8e.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d120","height":120}]},"date":"2021-03-23 01:53:06.000000000","message":"Patch Set 6:\n\n\u003e Patch Set 6:\n\u003e \n\u003e I\u0027m no legal expert, but as I could read Japanese articles on the topic, I guess I\u0027d add something here.\n\u003e \n\u003e I did some research (i.e. Googling in Japanese), and it seems that there is no real legal consequence for disabling shutter sound or even developing and distributing shutter-less camera applications / devices. The forced shutter sound is, as described above by Hashimoto, just self-regulation between carriers and mobile device makers. Unfortunately I was not able to find much legal documentation or legal advice on this, but here are some examples:\n\u003e \n\u003e [1]: https://www.mayoinu.com/entry/2016/01/13/200000, 「音のしないカメラアプリを使って公共の場で隠し撮りすると、『迷惑防止条例違反』という犯罪になります。しかし、現状ではこのようなアプリの開発や使用自体を禁止する法律はありません」 (Using shutter-less camera apps to take photos without permission in public can be considered criminal offense. However, as of now, there is no law restricting the development and usage of these camera apps themselves)\n\u003e \n\u003e [2]: https://jp.quora.com/nippon-no-keitai-ya-suma-ho-ha-kamera-wo-shouon-deki-nai-no-ha-naze-desu-ka-hoka-no-kuni-de-onaji-you-na-koto-ga-arima-suka, 「ただし、これはあくまで自主規制のため、法律や条例で禁止されているわけでは無く、MVNOなどのSIMフリー端末や各種カメラアプリではこれらの制約を受けずシャッター音を消すことも可能になっています」 (However, because this is merely self-regulation and there is no actual legal backing, things like SIM-free devices and various camera apps are not technically affected by this self-regulation and could remove their shutter sound)\n\u003e \n\u003e [3]: https://www.buzzfeed.com/jp/daichi/why-japanese-smartphone, 「この「日本の通信事業者の基準」は業界が自主規制として定めたもので、法律や条例のように、公的な拘束力はない」 (This \"Standard of Japanese carriers\" is self-regulation within the telecommunications industry, and thus has no binding power to the public)\n\u003e \n\u003e However, despite all of this, one thing to keep in mind is that shutter sound is a controversial topic in Japan. By that I mean it seems __very__ controversial as far as I could see, and 盗撮 (non-consensual photography) seems to be a real problem in Japan . I am not sure how many Japanese users we have as LineageOS, but if at some point LineageOS gets involved in criminal offense due to the shutter-lessness, my worry is that this could cause some public sentiment against customized firmware in Japan and possibly be detrimental to the community. There is a reason that the self-regulation has existed for so long and no large player has dared to go publicly against it yet.\n\nand btw I don\u0027t agree this patch should be upstreamed to AOSP, whether it is legal or not, and whether it is appropriate or not. It is a LineageOS problem -- whether we want to follow the self-regulation in the Japanese telecommunications industry, or whether we want to allow more customization as long as it is legal. AOSP will never merge a change like this even if it is completely legal.","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":6},{"id":"489e6757215fc84db117a4a8f0fd1849ffe0cb15","author":{"_account_id":28327,"name":"Kazuki Hashimoto","email":"kaz205@tuta.io","username":"Kaz205","avatars":[{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d32","height":32},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d56","height":56},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d100","height":100},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/b0e7d7d46b774d6f138889fdc0422659.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d120","height":120}]},"date":"2021-03-23 01:56:05.000000000","message":"Patch Set 6:\n\n\u003e There is a reason that the self-regulation has existed for so long and no large player has dared to go publicly against it yet.\n\nApple kind of has. iPhones purchased from overseas can disable the shutter sound regardless of the type of sim card inserted.","accounts_in_message":[],"_revision_number":6},{"id":"5b1a686dad5fd1a5829a24c1d1221620445671b0","author":{"_account_id":23282,"name":"Peter Cai","email":"peter@typeblog.net","username":"newPeterCxy","avatars":[{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/d69c137ad36fa8b9d2d7c3359b779a8e.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d32","height":32},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/d69c137ad36fa8b9d2d7c3359b779a8e.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d56","height":56},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/d69c137ad36fa8b9d2d7c3359b779a8e.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d100","height":100},{"url":"https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/d69c137ad36fa8b9d2d7c3359b779a8e.jpg?d\u003didenticon\u0026r\u003dpg\u0026s\u003d120","height":120}]},"date":"2021-03-23 01:57:36.000000000","message":"Patch Set 6:\n\nSo to summarize my stance on this: I absolutely hate the forced shutter sound -- you only need to actually own a Pixel device from Japan to know how annoying this is -- but at the same time I have worries about the effect of allowing disabling shutter sound on the \"reputation\" of LineageOS and the entire customized firmware community. 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